Final NTSB report N393SX Sonex

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Final NTSB report N393SX Sonex

Postby WaiexN143NM » Sun May 28, 2017 12:46 am

Hi all,
Good reading, especially for AeroVee owners , 27 may 2017 www.kathrynsreport.com

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Re: Final NTSB report N393SX Sonex

Postby radfordc » Sun May 28, 2017 10:03 am

I had a similar failure of a swivel foot adjuster once. I found the broken adjuster during a routine valve adjustment and don't know exactly how long I had flown with it broken. There was no loss of power or any other sign that the adjuster was broken. In my case the swivel pad remained in place even though the stem had broken.


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Re: Final NTSB report N393SX Sonex

Postby x3 skier » Sun May 28, 2017 1:22 pm

The link to Kathryn's report took me to a fatal on a Free Bird with a hirth engine, 176FB ?

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Re: Final NTSB report N393SX Sonex

Postby gammaxy » Sun May 28, 2017 1:43 pm

Here's a better link:
http://www.kathrynsreport.com/2017/05/brandt-sonex-n393sx-accident-occurred.html

I think this quote is important:
The remaining rocker arms did not exhibit the appearance of arm adjustment in accordance with the kit manufacturer's assembly manual.


As is this:
The ball bearing on the end of the valve adjuster had seized in place and could not be rotated


This picture from the docket (https://dms.ntsb.gov/pubdms/search/hitlist.cfm?docketID=59689) shows that the other 3 adjusters don't seem to be adjusted correctly:
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I feel like the report didn't acknowledge that the purpose of that cross-drilled hole is to provide lubrication to the ball bearing and that with them adjusted as pictured, there may have been little/no lubrication at the bearing. Also, the hole would have been under much more stress since it may have been unsupported outside of the rocker arm.
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Re: Final NTSB report N393SX Sonex

Postby WaiexN143NM » Sun May 28, 2017 4:10 pm

Hi chris,
Im on my its last legs ipad, thanks for direct links. For anyone new to kathryns report, i started reading in 2011 , when i believe it became online. The post is not to criticise anyone or product, but to share the information, in the interest of safety , and all can gain knowledge from this. Thanks for the explaination of the hole in the shaft, was wondering what is was for. All aerovee people should inspect, and make sure things are adjusted properly, per manuel. Fly safe!!

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Re: Final NTSB report N393SX Sonex

Postby mike.smith » Sun May 28, 2017 10:40 pm

gammaxy wrote:This picture from the docket (https://dms.ntsb.gov/pubdms/search/hitlist.cfm?docketID=59689) shows that the other 3 adjusters don't seem to be adjusted correctly:
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Wow, the nuts are barely on the threaded studs, so the studs are extended WAY too far from the rocker arms. Too many shims under the rocker shaft assembly?
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Re: Final NTSB report N393SX Sonex

Postby rizzz » Sun May 28, 2017 11:15 pm

mike.smith wrote:Too many shims under the rocker shaft assembly?

Or the push rods cut too short, it would be interesting to see the rocker arm positions relative to the valve stem mid-lift.
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Re: Final NTSB report N393SX Sonex

Postby mike.smith » Mon May 29, 2017 12:44 am

rizzz wrote:
mike.smith wrote:Too many shims under the rocker shaft assembly?

Or the push rods cut too short, it would be interesting to see the rocker arm positions relative to the valve stem mid-lift.


Short pushrods is probably a better guess.
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Re: Final NTSB report N393SX Sonex

Postby x3 skier » Mon May 29, 2017 9:10 am

Thanks for the new link. Burr's certainly do reduce fatigue life and that's one reason I always deburr every hole I drill, even though it's a PITA.

No info on why the gear collapsed in Kathryn's report which I guess was not investigated since the FAA/NTSB felt it was a result of the engine problem and subsequent landing.

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Re: Final NTSB report N393SX Sonex

Postby jeff0196 » Tue May 30, 2017 10:02 pm

When assembling my AeroVee engine, I found 6 of the 8 adjusters to have burrs like this inside the oil holes. Easily cleared by hand with a small drill bit. I agree that with them out as far as they were, burr or not, they were no longer getting oil and probably not supported by threads below the oil hole.

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