SNX-F11 Fuselage Box / Firewall Assembly

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SNX-F11 Fuselage Box / Firewall Assembly

Postby ScottM-Sonex1629 » Sat Jul 19, 2014 11:24 pm

Here's another lessons learned item for the forum.

This past week when assembling the FWD fuselage, specifically the firewall, I discovered the first match hole parts that didn't match up. This is related to the small angles supplied in the kit, SNX-F14-04 R & L Firewall Attach Angle. This part comes with 3/32" pilot holes in it which are used to make the holes in the cowling attach hinge (F14-03) and Forward Angles (F14-02). As you,can see the plans have you pilot drill two other parts (and then the fwd fuselage side panels) from this one part. My side panels went together fine, and look good, but the problem came after fitting the firewall with the two required bends at top and bottom. The holes did not line up.

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To make matters worse, I went ahead and redrilled the firewall attach angles. When I tried to fit the upper firewall cross brace (made to the plan width) the firewall pushed out and would not fit without taking the firewall apart. So consulting the plans I read 32" as the distance between the longerons. Not the outside edge of the longerons. I hooked the measuring tape on the edge of the motor mounts and it was less than 32"...thought oh I need to make it wider, which is why the cross brace is not fitting.

Long story shortened...I redrilled the firewall attach angles yet again (now three holes in these parts), and also had to redrilled the cross brace, but my overall width was now really 32-1/4". Dropped the engine mount in the airframe and there was a large gap.

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An email to Tech Support on Tuesday resulted in a response that said change the width back to 32" from outside of the longeron to outside of longeron. After doing this I felt like I was making too many compromises with a critical area of the airframe.

So, got the scrap aluminum out, took a small piece of the sheet metal to work, and asked the fab shop to shear and bend two pieces for me for new firewall attach angles. With no pilot holes! It's nice to know the guys at our R&D fabrication hand work shop.

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Came home from work and remade the upper firewall cross brace. Thanks to Mike F. for the use of your scrap aluminum!

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Old part and new one:
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And with everything removed and new angles installed, the firewall can be used for making the pilot holes:

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All pilot holes transferred to this new angle(s).
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Sonex if your listening, when you make these parts F14-04 in the future, leave off the pilot holes facing the firewall. There are too many variables with the exact fit of the fwd fuselage sides and angles to have the holes exactly line up.

The other option I have considered now that I went through this learning process, would be to possibly attach the firewall to the angles before making the bends, to see if the holes will work. Or maybe wait to install the three angles that are drilled and riveted to the side panels which create the firewall attach angle until you fit the firewall. But I still think supplying this angle (F14-04) un-drilled on the firewall side the better solution.

Also one last reminder. The dimension of the upper firewall can be verified by clamping the motor mount in place, and using a tape measure to read 32"!!!

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Last edited by ScottM-Sonex1629 on Mon Aug 25, 2014 11:36 pm, edited 1 time in total.
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Re: SNX-F11 Fuselage Box / Firewall Assembly

Postby Sonex1542 » Mon Aug 25, 2014 10:33 pm

I'm having a hard time here myself. I've sent off an email to Sonex for clarification. It seems like te fuse is 32" wide from inside to inside of the longerons, not outside to outside as it reads.

Also, is the bottom wider? Based on the size of the lower cross member, it's not, but the firewall is about 33 1/2" wide. I AM SO LOST!
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Re: SNX-F11 Fuselage Box / Firewall Assembly

Postby ScottM-Sonex1629 » Mon Aug 25, 2014 11:38 pm

Double check all of your measurements. I made the mistake of not carefully reading the plans and my above post is the result of this. The measurement at the top of the firewall is 32" in between e fuselage skins. Sonex will hopefully respond to you tomorrow and confirm.
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